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AW: [linux-team] Request For Comments: OPEN ISP.
> >So, what would you need ?
> >- a mailing-list
> >- a mirror
> A mailing-list would be desired to follow the discussion.
Ok, I'll check that with the other linuxbe.org-members.
It really shouldn't be a problem, we already host some lists ;)
linux@lists.linuxbe.org
debutant@lists.linuxbe.org
suse-linux@lists.linuxbe.org
oracle@lists.linuxbe.org
> >We could host it on linuxbe.org
> >The server (linux ;)) is located in Liège, Belgium.
> >interested ?
> Sure! Thanks... If you are located in Liege, maybe we can
> meet in real life
> to talk about the project. There is a lot to talk about.
Definately...
Do you speak french, BTW ?
> >Interesting paper, BTW, but I'm not sure it'll be easy to raise
> >the funds. It also depends on what scale you'd like to run it:
> >national (Belgium), european, worldwide...
> By now I'm just interested in Belgium, but if we make this project a
> reality, I'm sure other nations will follow.
> And I think the Belgium Linux community is large, enthusiastic and
> responsive enough to start this project.
Hmm... yeah, kind of...
But if you compare the evolution of Linux in Germany or the UK (or even
France) and have a look at Belgium... well... it's not that good :\
It'll be very difficult to find funds for that in Belgium.
> >A free world-wide ISP... wow... you'd definately need a *lot* of
> >funds to do that ;-)
> No, we have to start small. I think this project has to be
> started inside
> each country's Linux community. Besides, if we plan a
> wold-wide ISP, don't
> you think it will scare potential funders? I mean, it is a hell lot of
> money!
Of course. But for Belgium only, it's a hell lot of money, too...
> >But I guess VA Linux, SuSE, Redhat and other big Linux players
> >could do it: they already offer some services (sourceforge,
> >freshmeat, slashdot, linux.com, linuxnewbie, ... ...) to the
> >community.
> Yes, we are in a small country, so it's perfect to start this
> experiment. By
> now there are so many successful linux companies, that it's
> most likely to
> find funds. We are in the perfect time. And, let's don't
> forget, the Belgian
> government could be interested too.
I'm not really sure the Belgian government has any interest *at all*
in Linux. If you have a look at Germany or France, where their respective
governments have already started large-scale use of Linux... in Belgium,
there's really *nothing*. I'm afraid they don't even know it exists...
But maybe I'm too pessimistic ;)
> Last friday I went to Belgacom to ask for information
> concerning a 0800
> number. It's not too difficult to set one up. And I have some
> prices, which
> don't seem to be too scandalous.
>
> One argument that could arise is: ISPs will think it is
> unfair competition.
> It is not. We are a minority, that's why they don't support
> us (has anyone
> managed to connect to infonie with Linux? Please, let me know).
Why not ?
I would call their support line and try to have some techie on the
line. You just need to know what protocol they're using for PPP or
ISDN connection: telnet, chap, ...
> And, we are just another choice. I mean, those who already have cable
> internet access, won't switch to our ISP. I'm not claiming
> the 0800-LINUX
> ISP to be the only choice for linux. Not at all. It's purpose
> is to help the
> ones who are dial-up clients and/or would like to benefit
> from our extra
> features (serial line balance, encryption, central mirror,
> etc). And with
> such a project we could attract much more people to Linux,
> thus enlarging
> our user base.
... but still, I don't think it's possible in Belgium... yet.
Noone did this before, not even in Germany (where Linux has reached a
very high level of establishment). And if you want to get funds from
companies like SuSE or VA, they'll ask you: what the h*ll do we want
to invest in Belgium ? They'd rather do it in Germany, Canada or the
US. But ok, Belgium is a small country...
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